Episode 64: The "Mom Test" & Why You Are Overcomplicating Your Running (with Dr. Abu)

Are you overcomplicating your training and rehab? Whether it is stressing over your exact heart rate during a run or trying to jump straight into advanced plyometrics before you can comfortably walk, skipping the basics is the fastest way to stay injured.

In this episode, We sit down with Dr. Abu, a chiropractor and coach at Evo Health and Performance in New Jersey. Abu shares his journey from being a 19-year-old fitness coach to a clinician who prioritizes simple, effective communication over complex medical jargon.   

The guys dive into the weeds on endurance training, discussing why the obsession with "Zone 2 optimization" might actually be holding you back, how to use Rate of Perceived Exertion (RPE) to auto-regulate your workouts, and why the best healthcare providers are just "Robin" to the patient's "Batman" .   

In This Episode, We Cover:

• The "Mom Test": How Abu ensures his patients actually understand their rehab plans (if you can't explain it to your mom in one sentence, it's too complicated) .   
• The Problem with Zone 2 Optimization: Why recreational runners need to stop obsessing over their heart rate monitors and just focus on volume and consistency .   
• RPE vs. Smart Watches: How ditching the watch and training by feel (Rate of Perceived Exertion) builds better auto-regulation skills for race day .   
• Don't Skip the Basics: Why chronic pain is often the result of clinicians and patients skipping foundational steps to chase complex, "sexy" exercises .   
• The Batman and Robin Analogy: Why the patient is the hero of the story, and the clinician is just there to hand them the right tools .   

Resources Mentioned:

• Guest: Dr. Abu Guerges, DC (Evo Health and Performance - Freehold, NJ).   
• Concepts: Rate of Perceived Exertion (RPE), Zone 2 Training, Auto-regulation.

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Disclaimer: Although we are healthcare providers, we are not YOUR healthcare provider. Content is for educational purposes only. Please consult your physician before making lifestyle changes .   

Transcript

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Welcome to the podcast. A podcast by healthcare professionals, providing insight so that you can go fix yourself. The podcast is hosted by Mike Bruno, a chiropractor and athletic trainer, and me, Michael Stanton, an athletic trainer and certified strength conditioning specialist. Although we are healthcare providers, we are not your healthcare provider. We will discuss general health interventions in this podcast, but you should not take that as health advice that works in every situation. Before doing anything on your changes, please consult with This podcast and podcast are and our own opinions. If you're enjoying the podcast, please leave us a review on your listening platform and or subscribe to our podcast at YouTube. Links to our show can be found in the show notes on any platform that you're listening to. Today we have Abu insert last Um, you. I thought you were. I thought you were going to go No, no, I just I'm not going to So if you can just give us a came to came to be where you're stuff and your last name, maybe Um, I'm a I'm a chiropractor and Um, located at Evo Health and Performance in Freehold, new Jersey. And my entire career has kind of been, like, pretty convoluted, but it's ultimately boiled down to I've been an athlete my entire life. I've had family burned by the I've been personally build, burned, been burned by the medical system. And it's one of those if you want something done right, do yourself. And it's just kind of been a natural calling to go into service and healthcare for people. And I've been obsessed with it Nice guy. He's like, yeah, you're close. So the funny thing is, when you is Arabic for George. that's a direct translation. So you're that close? Yes, I knew that. Yeah. Yeah. How do you pronounce your full Avenue. But everybody calls me Bill, so. Okay. Good to know. Alright. So Abou the, the thing that the thing that, um, I guess started our, um, relationship was probably. Where did you go to chiropractic NYC. NYC. So did I meet you in the Is that the first place I met I think it was like we were Instagram like, internet friends. And then we met formally in person, um, at the business group. Okay, cool. Yeah. So I know you were working as, Hoboken right before you ended So tell us about the how that you've ended up today and like, model is like. Yeah, I mean, I've been a coach Um, like, my first job was just like group fitness classes and personal training at a out of a boxing gym. And that was my entry point into health coaching, yada yada, yada, yada. And I've just been running with Um, so I've always been a coach first as well as an athlete, and it's always been at the forefront of my mind of I enjoy working with athletic populations, healthy populations, um, or exercise focused populations, I should say. And having that at the forefront of my mind of how can I get this person to exercise as soon as possible in whatever limited fashion, giving their chief complaint or limitations or injury? Because everybody on this call knows the severe health consequences if somebody is not exercising regularly. Mhm. Um, and that's kind of always at Obviously barring any like necessary red flags yada yada yada yada Two of being in the personal training space and coaching space and working with multiple populations. I got to learn really early how important customer service and communication is, and I think that set me apart really quickly from a lot of new grads, a lot of my classmates coming out of school. And that's something I'm Tell us more about that. What do you mean? Yeah, I mean, we work with people, so if you can't get your point across and we have conversations about this all the time, and it's one of my favorite topics of we work with people. And at the end of the day, you can be the smartest person in any room. But if you can't effectively get your point across, you're nothing more than a walking anatomy textbook, which is effectively useless. Yep. That is the most important Can you digest your knowledge, translate it to the person in front of you, and agree upon a action plan that both of you believe in? If those steps aren't getting checked off, something along the rehab process is going to go terribly wrong. So it's important that they So you're not going to go off and be like, hey, the your posterior fascial line is kind of what, what you're like, right? You're not going to start dropping terms that like they may or may not understand as well. Yeah. One hundred percent of and if I little bit of time educating. So the person has an patient in front of me or coaching space doesn't matter, us as clinicians. We are the least important health, journey, rehab, journey, If they don't understand what's point, what are we doing? So it's like I see it as patient to understand what's knowledge base is. It doesn't matter. Yeah, communication is really the common thread among all of it. And the I actually had a client Mordor, like, we have to get you what's going on for us, even, to work together. So like, what would be the most communicate that to you? And she literally, like, sat back in her chair and was like, I've never been asked that before. I've either been like, talked at like I'm an idiot or like they talk to me like it's way over my head. So like, can you communicate it So I was like, okay, so like the She's like, absolutely, let's do And she walked out of there. She texted me like later on that so much for everything. Like I finally at least which was a huge first step, going on, the perfect plan is because you're probably not You're not going to buy into the We we know it's a long term We've seen the whole journey up might get discouraged along the a bumpy road. It's not a straight shot to the Yeah. That just fired me up. Uh, you having that conversation of just asking her how she likes to be communicated to and what style she's probably changed her life. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, it's exhilarating. All you have to do is ask a Mhm. And then abide by her answer. Exactly. And it makes my job so much person who like all start to start running away with it and like alright, wait a second. Did you like what questions. And usually people like they So like I, I don't have any I'm like alright, cool. So I call it the mom test. I'm like, if you had to go home about what you learned today and what's going on, like, what And they're like, ah, as soon as here it is in like third grade you to remember and take home. And when they're able to retain success big time. Um, like I'm stealing that the Um, but for for you like I know you're a big runner now. Have you always been or is this, like, your training? Yeah. Running has always been a part Although running for sport, this it's ever been. As, like, a priority in my Health, personal. Like, it's a big part of my Um, but I've been running ever since I was, like, fourteen for various reasons. Whether I just straight up enjoyed it, like running around my neighborhood training for sports. I played lacrosse, wrestled and All of those require a asinine always been a part of the game, say, the last seven ish years of I just want to run far and I There we go, dude. On so many of these podcasts I've used, I've stolen your term about. I don't know if it's his term, but he introduced me to party pace, and I say that all the time. Bruno Bruno's a big party pace Like, almost one speed baby. Oh, man. But it's it's so cool talking about, like, having, you know, your diversity of sport background. When I was like, I trained, you compete or anything, but I do a work and stuff. And when I'm doing that consistently, if I don't run for, let's say, a month or something and I go and I just go for my normal easy run, the the amount. Like my heart. I like looking at my heart rate. And I know I want to ask you thing, but my heart rate stays lot further and faster, a lot general like that conditioning. I'm hitting those higher spikes would if I was doing like easy I've heard I want to fire both of you up because I don't know how true this is, but I heard a guy on Instagram, so you know it's true. He said the he's like, if you push, if you work harder, like a higher intensity of running more often, like your body's natural default, your slow pace is going to be objectively faster than if you only trained slow pace and rarely trained at a high intensity. Trying to say that like if you engine out like you're going to be objectively faster. I'm just going to mic drop that and see what we both of you guys have to say about that, because I'm sure there's shades of gray to it. But I'm curious about your Yeah. Like I'll go. I'll go first. I'll go. I mean, yeah, I mean, you still Like, you still need to do the Your threshold runs, tempo runs, whatever it is to be able to approve it. Like, yeah, that will ultimately Yeah. If you only did zone two, I I think it's just because people fat burn or whatever. And I think that's probably what It's like, hey, you can't just of plateau in a sense in your Now you might yeah you could. So like when it comes to like figuring out what VO2 Max is, if you really want to get into it, like there's two different calculations, it can just be straight up how long you're running for, but really it's just how much oxygen you take in. So there's two different So this really want to get into Apple watch VO2 Max is based on Garmin is actually based on like fast you're running. Um, that is probably the more from a performance standpoint. But yeah, I'm assuming that was send it to me? I feel like I saw it for some Um, and I so I think that was you can't just do zone two to be a performance athlete. I was like, I like party pace, But to my point, like even though it's not actually running, like I wasn't doing more sprints, the Muay Thai stuff was way more intense and like, I was like really pushing it. And the way that I saw that do my party pace. My party pace was faster and it That's where I was going with Does that make sense? It makes one hundred percent That's the big thing, is you Yeah. Zone two has gotten like a huge endurance sports has been on a The optimization of it is now on And this is something I'm very that's in front of you. A lot of people don't need more They don't need more They need more of the basics. And the pure basic is you have to hit the entire energy system or intensity spectrum, which is your easy zone two training, like Mike said, which is your tempo, which is your threshold, which is your high end VO2 like Bruno. That's why, like when you do your Muay Thai and you do your party pace, you feel great because you're exploring the entire spectrum. You aren't just pigeonholing yourself into one little thing, even if it is quote unquote optimal. Right. And that's why I'm very big on if you are not training at high volumes. More times than not, you're better off just going out for a run and having a good time, rather than trying to find out which specific energy system you're training. Because the whole zone two phrase came from the optimization of elite athletes, and these guys are running one hundred plus miles a week consistently. Yeah. And also trying to like the the eighty over twenty stuff like that's like when you're not actually training for something specifically it like doesn't matter. Like it's also very impossible Like if you're only running ten going to go, all right, so then we'll I don't know, you'll four by eight hundreds I guess. Could be the the workout like you kind of just it makes no sense. Yeah, yeah. And it's like if. All right. Fine. If you're going to do that those better be the hardest eight any like potent training effect. Yeah. Um, so volume is the biggest A lot of zone two training But the reason zone two is very special is it's not that fatiguing. So you can do a lot of it. That's why zone two is important So if you're doing zone two you're doing a little it doesn't matter. Yeah. Go out have fun. Train. Yeah. Love that. Um, are you training for Yeah, yeah. Um, I got a hundred K in the in the fall. What's the. So for us. For us not used to the metric Hundred K gets you to what, uh, sixty two mile, like sixty two ish miles. I mean, ultra runners or ultra They always like to fudge the So Ip65 might be who the hell I get I get pissed off running a It's twenty six point five on my Like I'm like, that's That is what happened to me. That was right. Yeah. Yeah, that happened to me in I was like, God damn it, that's Um, so I know the, uh, one of Great job on Instagram recently. I love the just, like, talking to camera, like calling people out. And it seems, like, very Like when you're, like, I always That's where a lot of my, like, talk to camera stuff came from, where it's like, hey, like, I think I'm delayed in my argument. So it's like if I got if I was um, I didn't say exactly what I It's like, you go on Instagram the internet kind of thing. So it's like if for me it was application of it. Um, so like when you were your heart rate and stuff, can on what you were talking about more detail explaining it? Yeah. Um, one thank you. Like the way I come up with my posts, somebody asked me the other day is we we all are health professionals. We all work with real people. I just pick one of those people What cool thing did we talk Or did they ask a question that, I'm just going to talk about Yeah. And that day was somebody asked me about heart rate and zone two. I was like, all right, let's talk about this in like clear the air. Um, it that post was about what I just said about the importance and utility of zone two and creating the quote unquote, parameters for the people that it does matter for, and the people that it doesn't matter for. And right now, I see more people doesn't matter to them, but they And I was getting frustrated gains and progress on the table into this arbitrary box of, rate zone, when in reality that Yet they have a lot more prerequisites to check off, like consistency over a long period of time. And that's not a vague word. I'm talking months to years of Not oh yeah, I did twelve weeks No, I'm talking a near lifetime. You're training at higher plus even five hours a week. We can debate on of endurance Those are the things that And it's like, if you are this If you are not, that is also okay because you're going to make a lot of progress by focusing on other things and removing the cognitive load in training. I think that's something I'm Um, and same thing as a clinician of if we can make things simple, great, we're taking more action, making more progress. But if we're taking cognitive trying to be optimal, we are And all of us knows what happens when you split focus one hundred percent. Yeah. So like the I really like the, going back to basics or only lot of times, especially in the focus when someone's like, hey, Right. Like the super intricate and as if someone's like, I'm never it's not going to be an way too complicated for them to It's not an effective choice, So making sure you can do I always say I want something screw up at home. So if you hate this or it's tell me, and there's always I've had people come back in and like, this made no sense at home I'm not going to do it. I'm like, okay, cool, thank you Because like, that's going to help us build a more effective strategy. So when you're talking about the the simple, the simplicity of it, if you had to like, talk to me about, like I've never ran in my life. Like, where would you recommend I would start by keeping things as short and low pressure as possible. If you've never ran a day in going to be gravity of the thing people say, oh, running is bad for your knees. It's just the earth is really And every time we leave, it And I don't know how much plyometric I'm going to take a little tangent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know how guys do with your patients. Like towards the end. But that's the hardest part is eccentrically yielding and then like, have you seen like a forty It's like okay, you haven't done It's like I always say that when alright, when's the last time All right. Let's get that's the hardest cooperate, um, with gravity. So keep it short, keep it fun. Keep it low pressure. Because when you keep it short, too much, too soon factor of You are limiting the cognitive load so you can stay present and just self-organize. And then week over week, if you of I would say just start with a Nice chill, easy walk if you It doesn't matter. Um, then next week make it twenty, then the next make it thirty. Then add an extra day if you can Congratulations! We just set your minimum viable volume and we didn't get banged up. We didn't have to worry about We didn't have to worry about whether or not their tendons are elastic stiff. Da da da da da da da da da. Yeah I always I don't know if So like because with the whole if you're not trained for out the window slash why even And even like when I was having training this this past summer. Even then, like your heart rate goes all over the place. It's not even like worth it to And so typically I've always give given like hey, just be able to hold a conversation while running and like even like encourage the go run with someone else that you can kind of just not think about it and just have a good time while doing it. Is that like similar to what Because even like, even the heart rate stuff doesn't correlate very well with a lot of people. That's why, like a lot of people hey, go at an RPE pace instead. Yeah, that's how I primarily run things is purely RPE or some subjective term. And like now I just talked about Now let's go. Yeah. Um, all the evidence has shown RPE based prescriptions are almost just as accurate as heart rate, especially when it comes to getting specific energy systems of if you can speak in paragraphs. Congratulations. The odds of you being in zone Yeah, and you don't have to whole entire run. Um, that was me, by the way. I was like, wait a second, I'm I need to be one fifty. It's crazy because, like, these delay to the Apple Watch. Like if you have an Apple Watch, like if the Apple Watch felt super delayed on telling me anything. So. Yeah. And it's like not to say not to look at it, but I use it as an with my runs, I'll look at it. Let's how accurate is our RPE? The second thing is, by your heart rate, you're honing regulation, which all of us know an endurance athlete, because You have to learn how to feel. Um, alright. It gets weird of after you get you can like kind of get within like, all right, where's my Yeah. Um, that's a skill that needs And every time you look at your opportunity of honing in that So getting good at feeling things will actually you been quote unquote specific your heart rate? I like that from like a, so from a generalist approach when we're talking about like intro, when we're talking like, um, like intro to running and things like that, or even let's take running out of it, even like Rehab's like intro to like skill acquisition. Right? So the people who I see get into frustrated and usually give up accept that they're at the basic about this optimization and And it's like, dude, just go for You know, like like you said, all this, like go skiing with no could skip first. Like, there's so many, um, check boxes that we need to hit, I literally write them on the board. I'm like, hey. So, like, usually my plans and programs break down into three phases of care, and in the first one we're focused on getting rid of pain. And it's like, hey, that seems like a we all know pain is complex. We know it's not coming from one So like, these are the things check off before we get there. Then we can look what's going on in the gym, and then we can look at what's going on performance wise. But I'm not talking to you about can cover the basics of being And there's. And then when you lay it out do and then the conversation's a Um, so how do you get people to It sounds like you do a very good job of helping people get out of their own heads and just, like, do what is required from your professional experience to get the outcome that they're looking for. How do you go about that Yeah, you and I do it actually Uh. Hell yeah. I knew I was like, I love, I himself on the back. Well, I'm patting myself. It's all pat ourselves. Um, it's always a nice. Everybody loves a good Um, it's the same thing of. It's like complex, complex And going back to what I said at humans, their head is the most game of the biomechanics. After you establish a baseline knowledge, the optimization side It's the communication. It's the buy in, it's three steps we have ten. But I kind of break them up into We'll just say three steps. Are they and what needs to get How do I get them to fit those actions to check off those steps consistently happen. That is the challenging part. And it goes down to setting Identifying actually what they Like, because pain is complex and especially chronic pain, people think they need a complex solution. And that's what I've been Like I've just been reflecting to me and working with me and Mhm. Well, there's multiple reasons. One of it is I look at things things a little bit differently. So they think they need a hyper And sometimes it's like no we Whoever was treating you before either skip steps skip steps or they didn't meet you where you were at. Mhm. And that's a conversation I've Um I say like hey our first gonna be underwhelmed. And that's okay because we're going to check off these basic things that weren't checked off either. When you were, when you first who the hell knows? But sometimes the most complicated solution is the basics. And when you look at like, I Michael Jordan's Tiger Woods, everybody else for a longer Yeah, I love your on the know how many. So you get that in twofold. It's usually in the super It's like well they were back Like they can probably go back to the super functional exercise. But like if they can't single take a couple steps back. I was actually I was, I was at I think that's why people go to It's like they've tried Right. They I've already done gone to Nothing's getting better. What do I do? And like I had one of the teachers at work actually, and uh, just looked at his hip range of motion. I was like, dude, you have like Like, did anyone ever look at He's like, no. And I was like, Like, I'm just going to do a He's like, oh seven out of ten Now I'm zero out of ten after Sometimes it looks like I'm like, this is this was not hard like this. This was a very simple thing So I love the don't skip because doing like some sled pushes At last I was doing this, I was I was like, just doesn't sound that stuff, even though you So I appreciate like the not Oh yeah. It's it's super important. And it's like I think that's is they're either doing the the simple things like those are pitfalls I see in like the Um, they try like the cool mobility exercise they see on YouTube. But to even get into that prerequisite amount of motion. Motion that they don't have. Yeah. And they're like, ah, I just I'm just going to live with it. It's like, all right, I'll see you when you get pissed off I don't know. Yeah, one hundred percent. And there's there's something to Like But where? Like what? That person's intention is, So I have some people who come A lot of people do like the the they're like, oh, I can never back lighting up. I'm like, okay, do you care? So barbell back squat, they're like, no, it's just like in the prescription I'm like, okay, cool. Like, do you want to be able to you okay with modifying? And they're like, I mean, if I strong there, I'm like, cool. Like, there's a million other Like, are you cool with doing different versions that fit you instead of forcing you to fit that? Because we know right now it's X, Y, and Z. Reasons why it's probably not a smart choice for you. I'm always talking smarter, not And some of them, to be fair, are like, no, I really want a barbell basketball. Get my numbers up. I'm like, cool. I love that that path just looks want to be able to like, show up I'm okay with modifying. Both are okay, but if you think A is B or B is A, you're going to set yourself up for disappointment. Yeah. Um, um, setting up expectations. That's something that can always And I've kind of like did a hard reset with like, all my patients, uh, like even the ones I've been working with for a while. And, like, they're almost people that are, like, in the new, new patients. I kind of just, like, did a full I was like, all right, what are Do I know that? Do they know that? Let me just double check with Um, and really hit hard on. Once we get clear on their goal, get there and the possibility to wonders for me of, like, being saying you want your hip can do that. Why do you actually want your Um, and it's like, oh yeah, up and up and down the stairs like a good wife. Or it might be I have a race Or it might be any insert Mhm. They now understand that I I know exactly what they want of let's say their hip extension sucks and they want to be able to run. Yet their hip extension to like I want to get it to like twenty But they also want to like layer All right fine. Maybe you don't get to full hip it'll prove over time, as long layer in the other things. So that's also another big thing of keeping people held back for too long. Like the second issue on top of Mhm. It actually brings up a good like what you guys do is very you treat the entire person like Right. It's like you want to take Sometimes I run into it's like, hey, we set a plan in place, right? Let's say we crush the first part and say, hey, my back's feeling great. Like, okay, cool. Like, now it's time to hit the stuff like that. Getting out of pain gets us to You know, most people treat it But then once we get to the problem, which they came in for, shoulder's acting, acting weird. And I never mentioned it, but Because they trust you and they But then the conversation turns do your priorities fall? It's, do we want to continue Like, which one is more Do we switch gears or do we like and, you know, same kind of deal. It's your health, your decision. At the end of the day, I can give you my best clinical opinion, but at the end of the day, that's just again, the expectation setting handle multiple complaints as they pop up along the route versus just getting hit with all of them at once. Yeah, yeah. It's clarify like getting clear priorities because it's like we findings that we care about. Mhm. The person who is like I said Mhm. They have their own things. If those aren't aligned there's And I've learned that the hard Yeah. And so I'll just tell them like You're the one that I always say Insert body part here. It's your knee, not mine. Tell me what you care about. Because we can go one way that I You might not have a different Let's lay that out right now. One I think that's informed Two, I think it's like long term success. And to the pain thing that is Um, I say here are three steps we'll follow like pain, innovation, performance. Keep it simple. Once we get out of pain, you're think we're done, but that just got hurt and you got hurt there. We need to go beyond that so we And I think that's the hardest happy exercise enthusiast. Once they feel good, they want to, like, hit the ground running again. It's like, all right, I'll probably see you in three to six months. If you don't like, be a grown up Do you find yourself with all Just like I don't know how what injuries you've dealt with before or whatnot, but I'll be perfectly honest. Me personally, as soon as I feel good, my mindset goes exactly like goes right back to patient mindset. Like, I have to I have I have to hone in, be like, no, no, no. mean I do the long run today for a couple weeks. Like because I, I had like some foot pain because I got pissed off, didn't have a good marathon so that I just did some crazy training stuff as punishment to myself, which none of it sounds healthy. Um, but like that, that's like part of it was like, oh, you know what? Screw it. I started feeling better. I'm just going to send it again. And like, that's. Do you find yourself ever in that with the racing, with the training that you do all the time? I am my worst. Yeah. People do. Guys. Come on. I'm a human being. Um, yeah. Uh, I have a funny story about I have a, uh, an older patient, and we've just been, like, hammering his hip mobility, and he. He's the most consistent. I absolutely love him. Um, and he came in, I was like, hold on. You are, like, double my age. And your hip numbers are way He goes, don't gas me up too I was like, no, I'm being dead Really good job. And it's like always that if we as clinicians do everything we tell our patients to do, we'd be athletic weapons. Um, but it's the same thing of, like, when I get hurt, it's like, alright, full clinician mode. We're throwing everything but Every little dirty trick And once I feel good, it's like, all right, let's test this thing out. Oh, yeah. Which I tell everybody who's like, no, no, no, let's be patient. Yeah. Um, so, yeah, I'm a human being. Kind of back to complex systems. We have our own emotions, past experiences, psychology, environment that influences how progress and pain gets processed. And it has to be considered one One of our, uh, our program director would always, uh, say the kiss principle is keep it simple. Stupid, right. The. So the. I think that is a very overlooked, overlooked thing in the sense of people want to, like, get back to doing their thing fast, which, you know, makes sense. But also there's something to be said about not being pushed hard enough. So I see a lot of people who are performance type people don't simple stuff and it's like, it's damned if you don't. In a way where you can be in a know, simple stuff matters, but that's a problem. Or you get to a high level and doing the basics just like That is there's a new level has something like that. You know what I'm trying to say Yeah. That is uh, there's always going But even getting rid of pain, like there's always going to be a problem. People think, hey, I get rid of sunshine and rainbows forever. It's like, no, once you get rid there's a new problem and a new And my, my responsibility is like, good to go solve that. You have all the equipment, you But sometimes like that's why, you know, implementation, not just information. You know, like for us, it's like, hey, you can look up most of this stuff up on YouTube or whatever if you know what you're looking for. But it's, hey, I know your I know where you're starting. I know where you want to go. This is how we get there. That is the most important part it with somebody. Like we can help them a lot Get up there. It's literally like a Sherpa. I always think of that analogy percent like I was taught it. Um, uh, it's a Batman and Robin Uh, again, we spent a lot of this call are extremely to serve people. And it's like, you get the title doctor, you get the success stories. It's very easy for your ego to The reality is we're Robin the In the this situation. Nobody cares about Robin. What is? And it's the most. And in my opinion, I think it's the most empowering thing because when I get frustrated of like, why is this patient doing their homework? Why are they always trying to I was like, no, my job is just And sometimes it is. Instead of handing Batman the boomerang, it's handing him the parachute. And that might be the best thing And it might be a short little And that's okay. Yes, I know we all matter. We do care. No, I know what you care about us, but it's always putting in the priority. People go to dark to a Dark Knight movie to watch Batman, not Robin. And that is okay. One hundred percent. I mean, that's why I called. That's why I called my business I mean, nav, like nav stands for something nerdy, but the navigation system is the same Batman and Robin thought processes. Hey, you're driving the bus. But, like, if you make a turn, Like, you get off course. Like I'm here to help correct you and get you there fast and safe. That's that's the whole goal. But, dude, you are the man this I feel like we can just, like, keep rolling for hours, and I love that. But I want you to be able to enjoy your blizzard of a snow day. Do you have to go into work Uh, no. Uh, we just called a I gotta actually have to confirm decision to fully close or not. Um, what about you guys? It is. It is not. It is not looking pretty out Yeah, we're we're shut down for Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, I'm good I only got four inches down in We we all the schools closed and But yeah, we'll be fine. Okay. All right. Well, what we've been doing is us the best. Your best? Go fix yourself to take us out. So let's hear it. What is it? Go fix yourself. Okay, go fix yourself. Yeah. That's the energy we need.