Movember, Men's Mental Health Awareness Month

🎉 It’s Movember! 🎉 The GFY Podcast is growing out our mustaches to help change the face of men’s health! 🧔 In this episode, we dive into the barriers to men’s mental health, share mindset changes we use to handle life’s stressful moments, and highlight free resources available for everyone. 🌍💙

💡 Remember: No one is ever alone, and there are people who genuinely want to help. 💪

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Transcript

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Michael Stant: Welcome to the Gfy, podcast A podcast by healthcare professionals providing insight on how to navigate your health so that you can go fix yourself, the Gfy, podcast hosted by Mike Bruno, a chiropractor and athletic trainer and me, Michael Stanton, an athletic trainer, certified strength conditioning specialist, although we are healthcare providers. We are not your healthcare provider. We will discuss general health interventions in this podcast but you should not take that as health advice that works in every situation before doing anything on your own or making any lifestyle changes. Please consult with your own physician.

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Michael Stant: This podcast and views from this podcast are separate from our full-time jobs and our own opinions.

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Michael Stant: So we'll be once again going quickly 1st segment. What is new and exciting kind of discussing a recent research, chain, health change in health policy, anything that will help you go fix yourself. Second segment is, did you know this? You know fun, facts or info surrounding myths that me and Bruno go over on a day in, day out basis the 3rd segment will be what what grinds our gears?

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Michael Stant: And then the 4th thing is just a client win of the week.

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Michael Stant: So this episode, we're, you know, in theme with Movember we're going to be going over. You know, men's mental health. And that's kind of the big theme around Movember. You know, it does go over prostate cancer, testicular cancer as well. But you know, as as the motto is, it's changed the face of men's mental health. So just trying to bring awareness to making sure that people are getting the help that they need.

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Michael Bruno: Great Cause, great Cause.

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Michael Bruno: so.

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Michael Stant: Eve, go ahead.

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Michael Bruno: No, I was just gonna say that I

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Michael Bruno: in the spirit of Movember I have quite the crazy mustache. So that's always cool. My fiance is super happy about it.

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Michael Bruno: She walked in yesterday and was like.

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Michael Bruno: I don't like it. Change it. I was like, it's gonna take a little bit to grow back. You're gonna have to deal with it for a couple of weeks.

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Michael Stant: Yeah, and I'm gonna be at a wedding.

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Michael Stant: not in the actual wedding, but at a wedding

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Michael Stant: Saturday. And my stuff's definitely not grown out far enough, but I gotta shave it off to a must. I'm gonna shave it off to a mustache before it starts. So it's not gonna look great it really is not gonna look great initially, but give it one more week, and I'll be good.

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Michael Bruno: Ha! Ha!

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Michael Bruno: I like it. And it's it's really just to, you know. Make that statement piece to be like. Oh.

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Michael Bruno: what is on your face, and it's like, Oh, glad you asked. So now it's a conversation starter to be able to talk about a good cause, which is why, I like it the most. It happened at the gym all day yesterday.

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Michael Stant: Yeah, I would say, it's definitely a conversation starter once you do it. You know, I'm in the high school setting now, and I haven't like. No one's really taken notice of extra facial hair. They probably just think, Jeez, he's just really letting himself go right now, but I'm sure once once I shave, I'll start getting getting all the questions. So I'm gonna go move on. So recent research things like that. And obviously, this being around men's mental health. So I look up an article said improving mental health service utilization among men.

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Michael Stant: So I just wanted to pull a couple statistics out of that

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Michael Stant: men are 1.8 times more likely to take their own life compared to women. Same thing on the previous, podcast that we talked about at the very end. So 8 80% of the time, 80% more likely to take their own life. Compared to women, men are less likely to seek service, to seek that help service. From a mental health literacy standpoint. You know.

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Michael Stant: men generally have symptoms that are different when it comes to depression, anxiety, as opposed to women. So

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Michael Stant: men generally externalize through alcohol, consumption, irritability, or aggressive behaviors, as opposed to you, know your maybe your more typical symptoms of depression, anxiety where you think depression sad or anxiety, you know, not being able to sleep, not being able to focus things like that.

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Michael Stant: And then there's, you know, there's still generally ends up being kind of this clinician bias to masculine traits, and just kind of assuming all you know. You got to be masculine. You gotta you know. You just gotta you know, for men. You got to tough it up. And you know they're going to figure it out, and that's how they're going to handle it. I will say so. It was interesting kind of revealing all this stuff, because a lot of the research is kind of like early 2 thousands, mid 2 thousands early, 2,010 s.

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Michael Stant: So I I feel like, maybe I'm talking out of experience. But I feel like, maybe between me and you, or as we've gotten older, I think we definitely tackle this a lot more like we're more ready to like tackle with each other, and our friends of like, Hey, like you're doing all right, like everything, all right, and like kind of pointing out some signs and symptoms. But I don't know if there's anything you want to speak of to some of that, or kind of anything from your your own personal experience.

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Michael Bruno: From my own personal experience. One of the

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Michael Bruno: when, like obviously, people are there for for pain, and so back pain, this that we achieve goals, all that fun stuff.

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Michael Bruno: But in the time that you spend with a person you really get to know them. And I know a lot about, I'm thinking of one client in particular where he's like talking about like he's going through it like divorce. And all this and he'll stop himself halfway through and be like.

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Michael Bruno: why am I telling you this? And it's like, No, this is good like this is, this is helpful, like, I'm not here to judge you. I'm here to help like. I don't. I can't offer

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Michael Bruno: I'm not here to like. Give you my advice on your life in that way. But if it's helpful for you to share that, that's that's a huge win, because they feel comfortable enough in

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Michael Stant: Yeah, I think even helps as like a healthcare provider, you kind of become like a independent party, I guess, or like someone that they're not afraid of being judged by when they go and tell them, or tell you these types of stories, or something that's happening in their life. So you know. I think every healthcare provider maybe it's touched upon in school, I mean, I can tell you it wasn't touched upon in school when we were in school of like the mental health aspects of surrounding injuries or anything. But I think we've come to realize, oh, sometimes

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Michael Stant: off their chest happening personally, or things like that that they need to be able to do. That's definitely something that helps them. I was just even going off this other resources for people. I don't know if you know this. So so the national suicide. Helpline actually got changed to a national number to 988.

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Michael Stant: And then, even then, like, I don't. From a resource standpoint. I see betterhelp all the time. You you've seen that company like something very easy for people to reach out to. It seems like insurance is covering more of this stuff. So I just want to make sure people realize that like, there's also these resources that are pretty widely available.

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Michael Bruno: like, you see, both extremes where it's the some the guy who's like set in his ways, and won't talk about anything.

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Michael Bruno: And then you see the guy who like breaks his nail and has to make a Instagram reel about it, you know. So there's like there's both ends. Neither is right or wrong.

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Michael Bruno: you get let go of your job. Your girlfriend dumps you like all that stuff like that's really heavy like. Does that derail your actions? Yes or no? And if the answer is Yes, then that's a huge sign that you might need to go talk to somebody or get some extra help, because if you can experience all that crap.

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Michael Bruno: Yeah. So like, if you yeah, if you go eat at Mcdonald's and throw up. But then, like, it's like, Oh, I'm not going to go to Steakhouse because I I ate out once, and it wasn't.

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Michael Bruno: It wasn't good. It's like a totally different thing. And when you say it like that it sounds silly.

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Michael Stant: Yeah. And for me personally, like a few years ago, is when I started making a lot of my own lifestyle changes. But I think people also get into this thing where they feel stuck or they feel like, well, I don't have control of anything that goes on in my life anymore. And you know, it's it's kind of cool to like, you know. For me it was actually reading one of the longevity books, David Sinclair. It's it's called lifespan. Why we age and why we don't have to. And that was like the 1st time that I read that of like.

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Michael Stant: how you feel mentally and all that, and like for me at that time, you know, I was in a job. I didn't feel like I was progressing at all. Felt like I had no control of what to do there that felt terrible all the time. Other stuff! My dad was diagnosed cancer around the same time as well. So it was just like, oh, my God! Like all these things I can't control.

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Michael Stant: And there, there's a lot more that you can control in your life, and don't let that you know. Well, I had this bad experience. I can't. There's nothing I can do. I have back pain, and I just keep going to people, and it's not getting any better like some of it is learning that you actually able to control a lot more able to do a lot more research to kind of put you in a better path forward.

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Michael Bruno: 100% either.

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Michael Bruno: Are you ready for? Are you ready for my? Did you know quotes? I got 2 of them. I got 2 of them.

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Michael Bruno: Did, you know like this? This is a radical one that sounds aggressive.

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Michael Bruno: no like that makes me feel really bad, that, like everything like happens to me is my fault. So like something that's out of your control, like a family member getting sick. You're

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Michael Bruno: how you take that information in how you process it, and how that changes your actions. That's your fault.

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Michael Stant: Yeah, the how you experience it. And yeah, like, you said, how you end up reacting to it.

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Michael Bruno: I think it's an amazing story how you you talk about like, Hey, I'm dealing with all this bad stuff, and it's like.

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Michael Bruno: You are choosing to live a life with back pain.

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Michael Bruno: And that's okay. If that's what your choice is. But it's like, Oh, no, like, I don't want back pain. It's like, Okay, what are you doing about it? What's the plan.

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Michael Bruno: It's amazing to me how many, how simple that question is that people like get stunned.

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Michael Bruno: What's your what's your plan to fix it? I don't know.

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Michael Bruno: it's like, Oh, maybe it's just gonna go away

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Michael Stant: Nope, if that never happens.

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Michael Bruno: It's a it's a it's, I think, doing. Nothing is more risky than doing something right when you do something. There's no guarantee that it's going to

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Michael Bruno: But you're either taking a step in the right direction like towards your goals towards living a pain, free life, or you're taking a step

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Michael Bruno: because what you have been doing got you here? If you do more of that stuff, you are going to stay here

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Michael Bruno: That's your choice, right? But if you're telling me it's like, Hey, I don't want to be here. I want to be there.

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Michael Stant: like the people that go like the woe is me. All this stuff is happening to me. Blah blah! And it's kind of like what you said, it's like, Well, what are you doing to change it? Are you? Do you have any? Do you have a plan to try to change it? And it's like, Oh, no. Well, hopefully, this just happens. And it's just like

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Michael Stant: It's probably not going to happen. Are you hoping for your shoulder pain to just go away? That you've had for 5 years? Probably not going to happen like like that. That's like the conversations I get stuck into all the time.

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Michael Bruno: You can't control how someone else acts, or how someone else treats you. But you can control how that affects you, and then like you can control like your actions from there. So

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Michael Bruno: consequences of their actions are good or bad. You know it's like, if you're choosing to do this, this is what I would expect to happen

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Michael Bruno: So it really all depends on like the story that you tell yourself is going to be very predictive of your outcomes.

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Michael Bruno: whatever you choose is okay, like I as long as we are talking about choices here, right? Your health, your decision. You have this

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Michael Bruno: I'm cool with either. It's not gonna change my life, but it might change yours.

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Michael Bruno: because he gets those cramps like really bad multiple times a night, and he texted me. He's like

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Michael Bruno: a long time, and we did this for a bulk of the session, and he stood up, and like he was, he wasn't like limping as much, and I was like you look taller, and he's like, feel taller, like he actually like, stood up straight for the 1st time in a really long time.

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Michael Bruno: And it was really cool. It was really cool to see, and then him like doing it in office is cool, but then, being able to take what they learn in office and use it at home and still get

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Michael Stant: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, man, love that. All right. I think that puts a wrap on this episode. Everyone. Remember Movember provide support to the males, men's and females, too, as well. Everyone's needs some support, but you know, if you see the mustache, have have a conversation.

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Michael Stant: and hopefully you'll go fix yourself.

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Michael Bruno: Go, fix yourself.