The GFY Podcast
The GFY Podcast
Does Stretching Actually Work?
Ever felt like stretching might just be an overhyped ritual in your workout routine? Join us as we unravel the complex truth behind stretching, debunking myths and shining light on its real role in pain relief, flexibility, and injury prevention. We dissect the body's response to being stretched and how an increase in tolerance might be misconstrued as enhanced mobility. Our conversation is a dose of reality, backed by scientific research and clinical experience, cutting through the noise to deliver insights that might just make you reconsider everything you thought you knew about stretching.
It's time to challenge the status quo. We share personal stories and professional observations that throw conventional wisdom for a loop—like why stretching might not be the answer to your IT band syndrome or why your chiropractic treatment isn't the magic bullet you thought it was. We emphasize the power of a treatment tailored to the individual, citing real-world examples where generic approaches fall short. Listen in as we advocate for a smarter, more strategic path to wellness that looks beyond the tired routines and questions the necessity of pre-run stretches or the routine application of certain treatments.
Lastly, we tackle the broad and enigmatic concepts of recovery and fitness plateaus. Why do we hit these walls in our fitness journeys, and how can we push past them? We discuss the evolution of personal exercise routines and the challenge of defining what recovery really looks like, all while keeping a light-hearted eye on the sometimes absurd world of social media fitness trends. Whether you're a dedicated athlete or just starting out, this episode promises to arm you with a fresh perspective that goes beyond the gym and into a more informed approach to overall well-being. Get ready to engage, laugh, and maybe even confront a few fitness demons along the way.
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Welcome to the GFY podcast, a podcast by healthcare professionals providing insight on how to navigate your health so that you can go fix yourself. The GFY podcast is hosted by Mike Bruno, a chiropractor and athletic trainer, and yours truly, michael Stant, an athletic trainer and certified strength conditioning specialist. Although we are healthcare providers, we are not your healthcare provider. We will discuss general health interventions in this podcast, but you should not take that as health advice that works in every situation. Before doing anything on your own or making any lifestyle changes, please consult with your own physician. This podcast and views from this podcast are separate from our full-time jobs and our own opinions.
Speaker 1:And Bruno, I don't know why we haven't talked about this before, but Bruno made a post about stretching. But Bruno made a made a post about stretching and got some some social media whiplash, and so you know, maybe I'll give Bruno a chance to defend himself on what he actually meant, which could be exactly what he said on on social media, or maybe he meant something a little different, but either way, today's topic is about stretching and, like I said, I don't know how we never came about this before, because I think we discussed it. Maybe we briefed over in a lot of things and you know it's probably like the most popular way general people think about injury prevention or anytime they have pain. The general solution is I'll just stretch it um, but I think me and you both know one. That can't be the entire story, but for some people it is. So you know how about you give us your views on stretching?
Speaker 2:stretching is stupid. No, I'm just kidding. That's. That is what the. I guess that's how I came off on instagram based on the backlash, but I don't feel that way at all. If you love stretching, I love that for you. If it works for you, that's fantastic. I want to be as crystal clear as I possibly can be when I'm making I'm talking to a certain audience when I'm talking about this kind of stuff. So, like the people who are using stretching from like a clinical perspective, the people who like stretching on their own, all of that stuff, I am not talking to you. Like you, I completely respect what you do and if it works for you and like all that fun stuff, let's just get that out of the way right now. Um, but the original post for context. For anyone who's super curious, what I should probably just read it right yeah, straight up.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I don't, I don't want you to uh maximize yourself by accident all right.
Speaker 2:So the post said what does stretching actually do? And it was just like a posed question. And then my comment section. I was like the most recent.
Speaker 2:The most current research suggests stretching only improves your ability to tolerate a stretch. Is that your goal? Awesome, go nuts. Is your goal? Pain relief, more flexibility? Something else, you might want to use a different tool. So when I'm speaking to a blank slate, like someone who, like doesn't necessarily hasn't tried anything right, all options are on the table. What that post was meant to target audience, I guess, would be the people who have tried stretching and they're like, huh, like they. Someone told me stretching is good for pain relief. Someone told me stretching is good for mobility. Like I did it and I don't have any results. Like what the hell's going on? Like it doesn't necessarily mean like stretching doesn't work for you. It just means that, like what you were doing and again we should probably start here, like in, I'm doing air quotes for all you listening is a term that is very over generalized, so let's define it first before we go any further, because I feel like we'll get stuck in a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good idea. So right, maybe. So I define stretching as holding a certain position of your joint or a muscle, putting it to the end range and holding it at that end range for at what should be at least 90 to 120 seconds. That can be broken up in sets right, so like this so it's like a long hold kind of thing right.
Speaker 1:We just got the, we're in one position and we're holding that position for a good chunk of time, you know right, think about staying straight up and you just reach for your toes and you hang out there for a long time yep, so that is what we are calling for the context of this podcast, that's what we are calling stretching. Cool Stretching yeah.
Speaker 2:I think we're in agreement there. So when someone was in the position of trying to stretch their hamstring, so like, holding that hamstring stretch, they feel it in their hamstring. They're holding that position for a long time, Right, the what I was saying there was the the change that you feel is your body accommodating to that position and you're improving your tolerance to that position. So like, hey, this feels like crap when I start it and then 90 to 120 seconds later it feels less crappy. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with that and you know, because I am who I am, I do my research on some of this stuff and you know a lot of the benefits from stretching from what I was reading.
Speaker 1:So I looked up a systematic review 2021, effects of acute and chronic stretching on pain control and pretty much the lasting mechanism for stretching like it's not so much. Right, you didn't increase the range of motion and that's why the pain went away, kind of like you're saying it's your body adapting to it, right? Um, you know, you could either call it the gate control theory of pain, which is one of those, or another one's just called diffuse, noxious, inhibitory control theory, which essentially is just like it's exactly as you say it. Okay, your body, you stretch out, out my, your body's gonna send you know, different impulses, throw some beta endorphins in there so you tolerate the stretch a little bit more, you get a little bit further and that's why you feel the relief.
Speaker 1:Um, and obviously and I think we gotta back in these are for people who don't have acute injuries. Surgeries, like we're talking about, the people who feel this are like your chronic pain people, and so that's kind of how more so this works, because right at the end of the day, if you have a surgery or an injury and you know you're gonna lose range, range of motion. You're probably gonna do some type of stretch to get that range of motion back, because we know that's gonna help prevent injury down the line so with like going going off of that, there was uh.
Speaker 2:So someone in the in my comment section was like, hey, like, no disrespect, like your opinions, your opinion. But check out this guy who's got a bazillion followers on Instagram. He's called I can't remember, it's like Stretch, flexibility Research or something like that, and he will review studies and take the important pieces and post them and everyone he's got a million of them. But everyone that I looked at supported what I said in my head. So the, the, the clarity of my post wasn't well received, right, but the people who are in the camp like the one that really pops into my head was they took dancers. So when you think flexibility, right, dancers, they need it, gymnasts, all that type of stuff, like they are very flexible, you take them, compared to a control group of people who are non-dancers and you put them through a flexibility stretching program and there was no, uh difference in range of motion or pain relief. I believe were the two things that they were looking at when put on a strict like stretching protocol.
Speaker 2:So like is stretching of useful tool sometimes, but the problem with it is because it is a generalized term, it gets over-promised and under-delivered. Same thing, dude, I make the same comments at chiropractors all the time with adjustments. If I'm like, hey, adjustments are stupid, it gets people to click on your Instagram a little bit more. The adjustments are something that I don't use as often as a typical chiropractor would, because they're only useful in certain situations. Same thing with stretching. Same thing with stretching. Same thing with anything right Like strengthening is not necessarily useful everywhere. Like I've heard the you can't go wrong getting strong mentality. Have you heard that before?
Speaker 1:I mean, I've heard, tight and strong is better than weak and flexible too.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:So these are. These are. These are comments that have value, but they they're so context dependent. That perfect example is I have a client who he came in for like our consultation and was like I like what you're doing, but I want to do stuff on my own. And I was like, okay, no harm, no foul. And he went and was doing all the strengthening and the stretching and like things that he found on YouTube and you know, like look stuff up himself and like did his own research.
Speaker 2:And I touched base with him again a couple of months later and he was like I'm I tried every like I don't know what else to do, like I've tried all of the things, um, and I've given them enough time that like, like should work. But I'm hitting a plateau. And I said that that's very normal, considering that you are just doing a general thing for a specific problem. So the fact that if you, if you take a shotgun approach and it's like hey, hamstring, stretch, and you like shoot it at 100 people, 10 people are probably going to get great benefit from it, right, but what about the other 90? So he was, he was in that boat where we had the.
Speaker 2:We had that conversation again months later and where your pain is, it's usually not where your problem is. So after going into that assessment we realized what we had to manage and work on and he was just surfing for the first time in years without shoulder pain. So like that was sweet, awesome. I didn't do anything super spectacular, we just looked outside of the conventional realm like if, what if?
Speaker 2:what you're doing.
Speaker 1:If, if what everybody else is doing isn't working for you, do something different yeah, and while stretching all right, I'll go real into it stretching can get quite dangerous and the people that keep doing it because they feel like it gets them that pain relief kind of how we talk about what happens, your body realizing it.
Speaker 1:But if they're actually hyper mobile already and, like you know, maybe you don't you're not going to see that in your general everyday person, who probably just lifts weights generally, but you might see that in Olympic weightlifter, a CrossFitter, in your world.
Speaker 1:For me it's baseball athletes, it's it's tennis swim. It's these people that need hyper range of motion, because that's that's when you kind of start getting in trouble, where it's like, okay, um, I'm going to keep stretching my shoulder, even though if I probably took their range of motion, they might have 200 total degrees of range of motion and shoulder when it should be 180, um, and that's when you start going, okay, yeah, why you don't need a stretch, you got too much range, but we need to stop. You need to stop. We need to provide all all the stability possible to stop you from uh, to at least try to strengthen that range of motion uh that you have, or that excessive range of motion that you have. So I mean it can definitely go completely in the opposite direction if someone hangs on to it too long, depending on their previous history, what things they were involved in and things like that yeah, from a very like zoomed out perspective.
Speaker 2:I think that's even a bigger problem is people don't understand why they're stretching in the first place. You know, if they have all the, the right information, that's going to be like specific to them. They might not choose to do it, you know. Or if they just got blind advice from someone, it's like oh, my back hurts, I'll stretch it. It's like I don't even know what stretching means in that context. Like what do you mean?
Speaker 2:Stretching can have a bunch of different names. You can hire someone to stretch you, you can stretch yourself, you can use a band, you can do a bazillion, you can do it fast, you can do it slow, you can do it long, you can do it short. There's so many like ways. So just saying like stretching is good or stretching is bad, neither of those things are right, you know now. So there is like that's a another chunk of it, because people get very like tied to certain modalities or like things that they see results with.
Speaker 2:It's like, hey, I got a lot of results with stretching, so I became like a stretch therapist and like I'm going to do stretching with everybody because that's what I do and if stretching isn't, the isn't going to work for a certain amount of the population that like walks in my door, like that's OK, they need something else, right. But if someone's like on the other camp, if someone's like coming from the other side and saying, hey, like when you're trying, like when you're going through, stretching the people that it works for, fantastic, the people that it doesn't work for, like why, like what it like where? Like what have? What more do we have to look into?
Speaker 1:you know, well, I think even like how we know how the mechanism works, right, it's all pain control theory, so like, at the end of the day, you're not actually correcting the issue, uh, most of the time. So that's that's kind of like. Just, we know that's going to be through. It's just your body kind of telling itself all right, I'm going to tolerate this stretch a little bit better. Um, so we know we didn't actually solve okay.
Speaker 1:So why are you having that hamstring pain? Is it more so something you're doing every day? Is it how you're lifting? Is it you're lifting too much, things like that? And I, I mean obviously I.
Speaker 1:I go anecdotal on this because I'll be perfectly honest, me personally, I don't even stretch at all, never like, like, even even when, um, like I'll, I'll have some'm like all right, maybe I should do some of these stretches. Like I had IT band syndrome and so I was like all right, I'm going to you know, work on my TFL, my glutes, I'm going to stretch these out, blah, blah, blah. It didn't do anything, it was a waste. It was a waste of time. It like felt like, and what everyone gets like, oh, like kind of feels good now because it probably maybe was something going on there, but then it quickly went away. What helped me in those situations I was doing? I was doing weighted step ups and things like that to kind of work on like the range of motion and strengthening my knee in that specific uh range, and that was fine when people get tied to like one thing and they think it's the only thing.
Speaker 2:When every, if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So chiros fall into that trap all the time. Where oh, my back hurts adjustment. Oh, I have an ear infection. Adjustment, oh, like my, my kid's goldfish is sick adjustment. If you're spraying that at people for everything you might have, you'll have a camp of people who are like this is the greatest thing ever. You'll have a camp of people who are like eh, it's kind of okay, it's like it kind of works, like I kind of feel good. And then you have a camp of people who are like that's not helpful, off, like that is the solution that works for you. I respect that. Go, do that. The rest of you.
Speaker 2:We have to have a deeper conversation, and those are the people who I'm talking to, because most of my clients have never or have tried other stuff. I've tried stretching, I've tried going to the chiropractor, I've tried physical therapy, I've tried strengthening, like same kind of thing, whatever that means, and I have no results. So why is it not working? What is the root cause of the problem? Where are we actually going to get results from? Are the conversations that I'm having with people. So it just goes a couple layers deeper, yeah, and go ahead, okay. One more thought so when the when I'm having the conversation with people about stretching, so like that's the whole thing, like they'll come in and, oh, so this, this is really who I made it for a specific client, right, he, he was the inception of this, so comes in pretty new to a plan of care, and I was like what are you doing before your runs? Because that's like the main issue. He's like ah, I'm doing some stretching. I was like okay, how's that working for you? He's like, eh, like I feel like kind of good. And I was like, okay, like what stretches are you doing? And then he like demonstrated us like a basic hamstring stretch and I said, okay, like is that that's? Is that working for you? He's like not really. I'm like okay, so why are you doing it? And he like didn't have an answer. He's like oh, I got, I think I'm just supposed to stretch more. It's like why, you know? He's like yeah, I really don't know. And like that's just a huge waste of time because, like, the guy doesn't like stretching, he's not getting results from stretching and he still feels like he has to do it. So that whole line of thought is we have to break the belief that he quote-unquote has to do stretching.
Speaker 2:I tell people that all the time, with like mobility routines too. If you're spending an hour before your workout to do stretching, I tell people that all the time, with like mobility routines too, if you're spending an hour before your workout to do a mobility routine, that's not really getting you the results that you want in the gym. It's probably because something in the gym itself your exercise selection is doing more harm than good, which is requiring you, which is making you feel like shit, which is making you feel like you have to do a mobility routine. But then you go back in and do the same shit that makes you feel like shit and you get stuck in this big cycle. So it's like why don't we change the shit that makes you feel like shit so you actually feel good, so you don't need a mobility routine in the first place? How does that sound? And they're like that's an option and I'm like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's, it's the education piece too. I, I think that's big. Or like so many people just stretch it, they just go. I, I don't know. It's because I don't know, maybe we got to go change the curriculum all the way down to freaking pe and uh middle school and in high school to be like hey, like, obviously stretching is a thing, but you know, it might just be easier to teach someone how to do a warm-up prior to be like hey, like, obviously stretching is a thing, but you know it might just be easier to teach someone how to do a warm-up prior to everything.
Speaker 2:Like my yeah, my biggest issue is the intent behind it so like if you are like, if you've taken a bunch of like continuing education courses with like stretching and you're like you know what you're doing, you know when it is appropriate, you know when it's not, and you're talking to a person and they are a good fit for what you do and you do it. You get them results. That's amazing. I want to give you a hug, like that's phenomenal. But when people have no fucking idea what they're doing and why they're doing it and they're okay, like. They're like weirdly okay with that. They're like I just know I need to stretch more. I'm, like you, sure about that. You know, are you?
Speaker 2:sure about that you sure about that?
Speaker 1:it's probably not the case. Like, and obviously, like we said, there's different situations. Me with the baseball background, right, I know one. One of the things that we look for is, you know, all right, if they've lost internal rotation after throwing, it's something that's not the whole picture for a baseball athlete, but hey, we still need to address that because if they don't have in all the internal rotation they need while throwing in their shoulder, that means you know they're going to be slamming the brakes on it, the muscle is not going to be able to activate properly to slow them down the rotator cuff and so like in that population it makes sense and you know there's a lot of education to it.
Speaker 1:Like I used to work. That it's. I think it's like hey, this is why we're doing this stretch, it's because I want to track your range of motion to make sure that it gets better before you do a high intent throwing day again and so like. Right there, like you said, there needs to be a reason behind it. Just stretching the stretch, that's, that's how I. Honestly, it's how you get in trouble, that's how you, that's how they end up.
Speaker 2:I avoid blanket terms at all costs. So, stretching flexibility, mobility, like recovery. What does that mean? Like if you say recovery, I say recovery and Joe Schmo says it. They all mean different things to us. So if I'm having that conversation and we get to, it's like okay, we agree on terms, now we can move forward with the conversation, great. But if we're just like throwing buzzwords out there because there truly is no deeper understanding past that, then that's an issue. Then you're operating out of a place. You're operating out of a place of ignorance, which is not always your fault. It's like you don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2:So like once you're open to, as long as you're open-minded, and you're like, hey, like this might not be what you think it is, and you, and if you're just like, no, fuck, you like no, like I believe this and like that's what it is, then you're gonna be stuck there, you know, and you're gonna be no, fuck you like, no, like I believe this and like that's what it is, then you're gonna be stuck there, you know, and you're gonna be having that back pain, trying to stretch your hamstrings for 10 years and it's never gonna work. But if you're open to the idea of like hey, if you have a tight like rubber band and you're stretching it out all the way to the end, right, and it is feeling real tight, why would stretching it even more provide relief?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's the comment. You know that's uh, the I go back to like back in school in the original one of the original books I read um, I got some here somewhere, but you know that was like. The initial thing it talked about was like the hamstring like and being like. Why do we keep stretching hamstrings, like it's already in a lengthened position in most people? Because most people end up super tilted, because it's just what people started going for to improve performance, so why are we going to keep addressing it that way?
Speaker 2:so the the goal. Like when I have people who come in and they have it. This is another thing. Someone can two different people who come in and they have. This is another thing. Someone can two different people can come in and be like I have tight hamstrings, like they feel tight. That is always valid what you are feeling. I'm always going to respect that. But you go and you put them on a table and you do the test for, like the straight leg raise to see their hamstring range of motion and some of them have like super limited range of motion and then some of them have super flexible, like a lot of range of motion, but they both feel tight. Why? And if the person who's like, oh, tight hamstrings, stretch right, that could work for one of them and it could make the other one no change or worse. So why is that blanket statement useful? Like I don't agree with that context is so dependent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen that situation to. You know the person that actually has the limited range of motion. Even then you might actually work more on pelvis and like just getting their pelvis to move in a project that's going to get it to work a little bit better, where the other person who you described as hypermobile you're probably going we need to stabilize this Like that's going to do a better job at your sensations than just stretch, stretch, stretch, because if you just keep stretch, stretch, stretch, you're just kind of tapping into your body's way to alter pain as opposed to fixing the problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people with the same complaint need two entirely different plans yeah, because of what you find, you know yeah, but um, there's, there's something that you you just said there. That kind of like sparked a whole rabbit hole with the with um, with the whole like stretching thing that the like we're not. I feel like the bigger part of the conversation is like nobody's mad at stretching like we clearly defined it.
Speaker 1:I could be upset at it. Yeah, you pissed no.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, not as you are, I'm gonna take it to a lobster dinner and never call it again. But the thing is is like everything. One of my mentors says this and I love it when he does. He's like everything is wrong. Some things are useful. I'm like I agree with that. Yeah, because stretching might be the key to this person. Stability might be the key to that person. Adjustments might be the key to that person, might be the key to that person, the adjustments might be the key to that person. A combination of both right going to therapy and just talking out your feelings might be either. So pain is so complex. So saying like I avoid practitioners who are like this is good for everybody, because it's not.
Speaker 1:Except for sleep. You get to sleep that stuff, that stuff. If they're preaching that, they're probably correct, but yeah, from our physical, what we actually end up incorporating to most people, yeah, that's over.
Speaker 2:But let me just poke the bear a little bit more. What if you're sleeping 20 hours a day and you're super depressed and you're not going to work? You know what I mean that's too much yeah, there's a balance like exactly that. That is the. That is the. That is the piece that is missing with all of these conversations, right?
Speaker 1:nothing is good for everybody yeah in my opinion no, I, I agree, everyone like, and we've seen it before, like and we've done it before, we've given someone stretches to do and bada bing, bada, boom, they got better and you're like all right yeah, awesome, great, that was a good day. I still give stretches to certain people, like you know, like I still do it because you know I deal with a high school athlete population who gets we get into the. They actually don't know what stretching is sometimes. So there's a big, a whole education moment and just like which is awesome, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know, I kind of get to start from the ground up a lot of times on these kids, if, if, there's enough time. So yeah, I still still place for it.
Speaker 1:There's a balance different shit exists because different shit works for different people yeah, but I think for I think it all depends on your population that you see, like right for you, a lot of times you're seeing people after they've already tried it and it doesn't work. So, like that's what some people need to realize with that as well, and like you said why we started this episode. Going back to your post like right, your post wasn't meant for people who had acute injuries. Like you know, everyone's an athlete, but athlete but you know, not for, like sports, specific athletes, things like that. That's not who that was targeted at.
Speaker 2:And it also wasn't meant for people who like, like stretching. So like, if you like stretching, you just, you just go, like this and you don't listen to me. You just scroll right by. And that's what most people did.
Speaker 1:But you know, you know I go through. Obviously. You know I had I looked up a bunch of research before this. So I'm going to run through the list real quick, because that's what I think a lot of times. To the people that just go, nope, stretching works, fuck off Like I'm not, you can't change my opinion. They also just don't go into different results. Or, you know, dig down deep enough to find out why the interventions are working. Dig down deep enough to find out why the interventions are working. So I went all the way back to 2003 on a systematic review, as even back then for stretching for prevention of injuries, results were mixed. It was like half the studies helped, half the studies didn't.
Speaker 1:So right from an injury prevention standpoint, not doing too much. 2008 systematic review moderate to strong evidence that routine static stretching does not reduce overall injury rates, but it does. Stretching does seem to do something at the musculotendinous junction and might help with that, because that seems to be the only part of the muscle that it might actually help lengthen. Um, so there's another study in here where, because of that, it's actually kind of good for uh fall risk that it ends up actually decrease. It helps with balance and decreasing the risk of falls in older population.
Speaker 1:So you could generally say, okay, there is something good, good about it in that aspect to apply to more people generally, but you know, that's probably for people who are pain-free, no issues. Um, you know that everything else is just like no effect. No effect, no effect on injury rates. No, like nothing, like anything after like 2014. It's. It's just like no, doesn't, doesn't do what you think it does in injury prevention or right injury rehabilitation or anything like that yeah, so like that, let's like circle back to the post right and also asterix right, confirmation bias is a real thing.
Speaker 2:So like, if you really want to find studies that are going to support your claims, you can right like the world of research. It's known for that right. Yeah, so going into the research with a very unbiased view and being like all right, let's look at a bulk of it. What's it saying? And like now, we find a common theme without formulating an opinion prior. I respect you.
Speaker 2:That's a good way to go, yeah, yeah but going back to like what I said, like the most current research suggests right, like you, you just confirmed everything that I said. Well, so the the point? The point of that is like hey, johnny, why are you doing your hamstring stretch? It's like, oh, I don't know, like to increase flexibility or to like decrease pain. I think it's like, hmm, is it working? No, not really. It's like you might want to, you might want to try something else, because stretching is not doing what you think it's doing. But then if you have a conversation with Johnny, it's like hey, you, or Sally, you, you you're stretching. He's like, yeah, it's fantastic. Like I feel so good after I stretch and it it's the best. Like I feel so recovered, I'm like ready to rock, like it's a huge part of my life. Sally man, fucking tastic, you do your thing. I'm not going to try to tell like. I'm not going to tell that person no.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1:Stretching seems to be one of those things too. It's like if it worked one time, I feel like people are more apt to just put it into their general routines as well, and maybe that's part of the issue. Um, so, maybe it did help initially and then they just keep doing it because it's like well, it worked that one time a lot of things have a plateau effect.
Speaker 2:Like if you curl your 20 pound dumbbells, like eventually that's gonna get easy. If you only run a mile, that's eventually gonna get easy. So like they're yeah, running is a whole different beast.
Speaker 1:We should have a podcast on that running or uh, I was saying even after this, when you talked about the buzzwords recovery, I was like I don't know, we haven't actually ever had a what is recovery podcast and like defining that for people, because that is that gets. That's all over the place and we probably technically can't define it, um, because it's too multifaceted. But you can at least give we could at least give tools on like what you should be looking for 100.
Speaker 2:All right, but I think that wraps it up. I feel like I just went to therapy and got it all off my chest.
Speaker 1:All right, now go make another controversial post. Oh yeah, Give it some fodder.
Speaker 2:Dude, they say you're not doing Instagram right until you start getting haters. So I guess that's a win.
Speaker 1:There you go. First couple of haters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, all right, mikey, take us out, yay.
Speaker 1:Go fix yourself.
